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		<title>By: gavingough</title>
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		<dc:creator>gavingough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shiloh, thanks for taking the time and trouble to reply - I think you&#039;ve experienced a &quot;Baptism by ire [sic]&quot; here on Matt&#039;s site and I&#039;m pleased to see that it hasn&#039;t dampened your enthusiasm.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess we&#039;re all &quot;working on it&quot; in various ways and none of us, myself more than most, can lay claim to getting it right all the time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I look forward to the next installment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shiloh, thanks for taking the time and trouble to reply &#8211; I think you&#39;ve experienced a &#8220;Baptism by ire [sic]&#8221; here on Matt&#39;s site and I&#39;m pleased to see that it hasn&#39;t dampened your enthusiasm.</p>
<p>I guess we&#39;re all &#8220;working on it&#8221; in various ways and none of us, myself more than most, can lay claim to getting it right all the time.</p>
<p>I look forward to the next installment.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hirschy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hirschy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - culture, what an interesting thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know I&#039;m late to this conversation, but I must say that I&#039;ve found this post and the coinciding comments incredibly interesting.  My first thought was &quot;Man, I miss wearing my Chaco&#039;s!&quot;  Living on the Tibetan plateau comes with 9 months of non-chaco-suitable weather.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With my first visit to this area in 2004, I remember thinking many of the same things, much the same way many of my Asian friends have felt overwhelmed when visiting America.  My mother growing up in Thailand and Vietnam always stressed &quot;It&#039;s not wrong, its just different!&quot;... and it is different now, isn&#039;t it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still get annoyed weekly at all sorts of things while living here, but thats part of MY cultural response to this place and and it&#039;s hard to undo my previous 24 years of cultural influences... still, not wrong just different.  Let&#039;s be honest, learning culture and dealing with cultural stresses can be maddening and very difficult.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Two other points, hopefully not to add to the fire by any means.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Firstly, I think its incredibly healthy for Shiloh to point out that its her who has to change and obviously not the culture.  It&#039;s the things we aren&#039;t aware of when dealing with culture shock that get us and Shiloh seems well aware of where the stresses are coming from.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Secondly, there are so many different culture exchanges happening just in these comments and responses to Shiloh&#039;s post.  Being a Westerner at one point in my life (can I say that?!), I relate to the &quot;bad&quot; smells vs. &quot;warm, comforting&quot; smells comments, though we ALL have to know that contextually, on this blog, we are speaking to people who span multiple cultures and contents and who have different ideas of &quot;bad/uncomfortable&quot; vs. &quot;Comforting&quot; - I&#039;d have made the same mistake and likely even worse if I were writing this!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve eaten enough tsampa for the entire Southern portion of the U.S and have had gag reflexes even 6 years after having my first taste.  Similarly, my Tibetan friends think spaghetti is the worst tasting thing on the planet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s culture and its differences, similarities, semantics and utterly beautiful and often frustrating nuances have been well illustrated here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your post and your follow up comment Shiloh, well written indeed. Thanks to everyone else for weighing in on this as well - great comments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; culture, what an interesting thing.</p>
<p>I know I&#39;m late to this conversation, but I must say that I&#39;ve found this post and the coinciding comments incredibly interesting.  My first thought was &#8220;Man, I miss wearing my Chaco&#39;s!&#8221;  Living on the Tibetan plateau comes with 9 months of non-chaco-suitable weather.</p>
<p>With my first visit to this area in 2004, I remember thinking many of the same things, much the same way many of my Asian friends have felt overwhelmed when visiting America.  My mother growing up in Thailand and Vietnam always stressed &#8220;It&#39;s not wrong, its just different!&#8221;&#8230; and it is different now, isn&#39;t it?</p>
<p>I still get annoyed weekly at all sorts of things while living here, but thats part of MY cultural response to this place and and it&#39;s hard to undo my previous 24 years of cultural influences&#8230; still, not wrong just different.  Let&#39;s be honest, learning culture and dealing with cultural stresses can be maddening and very difficult.</p>
<p>Two other points, hopefully not to add to the fire by any means.  </p>
<p>Firstly, I think its incredibly healthy for Shiloh to point out that its her who has to change and obviously not the culture.  It&#39;s the things we aren&#39;t aware of when dealing with culture shock that get us and Shiloh seems well aware of where the stresses are coming from.  </p>
<p>Secondly, there are so many different culture exchanges happening just in these comments and responses to Shiloh&#39;s post.  Being a Westerner at one point in my life (can I say that?!), I relate to the &#8220;bad&#8221; smells vs. &#8220;warm, comforting&#8221; smells comments, though we ALL have to know that contextually, on this blog, we are speaking to people who span multiple cultures and contents and who have different ideas of &#8220;bad/uncomfortable&#8221; vs. &#8220;Comforting&#8221; &#8211; I&#39;d have made the same mistake and likely even worse if I were writing this!</p>
<p>I&#39;ve eaten enough tsampa for the entire Southern portion of the U.S and have had gag reflexes even 6 years after having my first taste.  Similarly, my Tibetan friends think spaghetti is the worst tasting thing on the planet.</p>
<p>It&#39;s culture and its differences, similarities, semantics and utterly beautiful and often frustrating nuances have been well illustrated here.</p>
<p>Thanks for your post and your follow up comment Shiloh, well written indeed. Thanks to everyone else for weighing in on this as well &#8211; great comments.</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: shilohlane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shilohlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will! Thanks, Jeffrey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will! Thanks, Jeffrey.</p>
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		<title>By: Shiloh Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiloh Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouragement, Marryam! I&#039;m glad the post was something with which you could identify, and it&#039;s also nice to hear I&#039;m not the only one who likes a good footrest. If I&#039;m ever fortunate enough to travel to your part of India, I&#039;d love to meet you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouragement, Marryam! I&#39;m glad the post was something with which you could identify, and it&#39;s also nice to hear I&#39;m not the only one who likes a good footrest. If I&#39;m ever fortunate enough to travel to your part of India, I&#39;d love to meet you.</p>
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		<title>By: Marryam H Reshii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marryam H Reshii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Indian. I&#039;ve visited parts of Asia often enough and fought an urge to wince at smells of dried fish, fermented prawns and the like, and some of it is in my own country! God help us all the day political correctness takes over the world and nobody can say what they feel because they&#039;re scared it will hurt some minority! Shiloh, that was obviously a post from your heart and it came through. Speaking for myself, I loved it. Do visit me in my home someday. My feet are ALWAYS on the table, by the way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m Indian. I&#39;ve visited parts of Asia often enough and fought an urge to wince at smells of dried fish, fermented prawns and the like, and some of it is in my own country! God help us all the day political correctness takes over the world and nobody can say what they feel because they&#39;re scared it will hurt some minority! Shiloh, that was obviously a post from your heart and it came through. Speaking for myself, I loved it. Do visit me in my home someday. My feet are ALWAYS on the table, by the way!</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be the first to say I don&#039;t have nearly the cross cultural experience of most people who read this blog, though I have racked up my fair share of months in a dozen countries or so, each of which I absolutely adore. I have also spent years immersed in the Asian sub-culture in Texas, and I thought this blog post was witty, humorous, and honest. You&#039;re lying to yourself if you pretend culture shock doesn&#039;t exist, or that it doesn&#039;t change when you are living somewhere for months versus just visiting for a few weeks. And this denial will set you up for cosmic failure. Things take getting used to. Normal everyday things like the way a place smells or the way the air tastes or the way the cars sound. It&#039;s not &quot;home&quot; and there&#039;s nothing wrong with that. To be able to express that is what makes us human, and what makes us able to survive. To be able to laugh it off and keep going is what makes living in a foreign culture possible. I don&#039;t take any offense at all when Chinese people tell me they hate Texas BBQ (which is as much a part of my culture as wearing clothes in public). It&#039;s not home to them and that&#039;s okay. Anyway, Shiloh, I loved this post and thought it incredibly witty and funny and it was a joy to read. I made the mistake of reading the comments before the post and I was shocked when I finally read the post and I wondered if maybe the original post had been deleted because what you wrote doesn&#039;t in the least strike me as offensive but rather a humorous and ultimately honest view of someone struggling to adapt to a non native culture. I hope to have the privilege of reading more from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll be the first to say I don&#39;t have nearly the cross cultural experience of most people who read this blog, though I have racked up my fair share of months in a dozen countries or so, each of which I absolutely adore. I have also spent years immersed in the Asian sub-culture in Texas, and I thought this blog post was witty, humorous, and honest. You&#39;re lying to yourself if you pretend culture shock doesn&#39;t exist, or that it doesn&#39;t change when you are living somewhere for months versus just visiting for a few weeks. And this denial will set you up for cosmic failure. Things take getting used to. Normal everyday things like the way a place smells or the way the air tastes or the way the cars sound. It&#39;s not &#8220;home&#8221; and there&#39;s nothing wrong with that. To be able to express that is what makes us human, and what makes us able to survive. To be able to laugh it off and keep going is what makes living in a foreign culture possible. I don&#39;t take any offense at all when Chinese people tell me they hate Texas BBQ (which is as much a part of my culture as wearing clothes in public). It&#39;s not home to them and that&#39;s okay. Anyway, Shiloh, I loved this post and thought it incredibly witty and funny and it was a joy to read. I made the mistake of reading the comments before the post and I was shocked when I finally read the post and I wondered if maybe the original post had been deleted because what you wrote doesn&#39;t in the least strike me as offensive but rather a humorous and ultimately honest view of someone struggling to adapt to a non native culture. I hope to have the privilege of reading more from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shiloh, my sense from your original post was that you were ridiculing the differences in Asia (as compared to America). From this well-worded reply of yours I now understand that you had no such intention. Write from your heart, and everything else will fall into place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shiloh, my sense from your original post was that you were ridiculing the differences in Asia (as compared to America). From this well-worded reply of yours I now understand that you had no such intention. Write from your heart, and everything else will fall into place.</p>
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		<title>By: shilohlane</title>
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		<dc:creator>shilohlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I don’t usually spur controversy, so this was pretty unexpected. To all of you who were offended, I am deeply sorry. Please forgive me, and to all of you who offered advice or kind words, thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think my biggest mistake was misunderstanding my audience, but I don’t particularly think I “don’t deserve Southeast Asia.” I truly love it here, and I know I should have emphasized it more. I merely meant to talk about the culture stress of being a brand new traveler, and the differences in environment that I never anticipated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Trust me, I have not missed Asia’s beauty or allure. I look out of my bedroom window each day and see buildings rising through the trees in a majestic way that I would never find in the States. The people are also incredibly sweet and the food delicious. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel naive, and I guess, I am naive. Isn&#039;t it an unavoidable stage you have to go through before you become experienced, right? Doesn&#039;t everybody? And, I&#039;m learning over and over that when you go through this unavoidable stage, you will at some points, unavoidably, look stupid and do stupid things.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, I will keep writing as long as Matt will have me, but with this experience underneath my belt, my writing will change some. I won’t pretend, though, that everything is easy and that the differences in cultures aren’t surprising or difficult to get used to. Everything is not easy, but I will try to balance those difficulties with stories about what I love in Asia.  And, I do love Asia.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I do sometimes forget myself and put my feet on the furniture, only to catch it and quickly put them down. But, dang it, that’s a hard habit to break! However, Gavin, I want you to know that I am working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I don’t usually spur controversy, so this was pretty unexpected. To all of you who were offended, I am deeply sorry. Please forgive me, and to all of you who offered advice or kind words, thank you.</p>
<p>I think my biggest mistake was misunderstanding my audience, but I don’t particularly think I “don’t deserve Southeast Asia.” I truly love it here, and I know I should have emphasized it more. I merely meant to talk about the culture stress of being a brand new traveler, and the differences in environment that I never anticipated.</p>
<p>Trust me, I have not missed Asia’s beauty or allure. I look out of my bedroom window each day and see buildings rising through the trees in a majestic way that I would never find in the States. The people are also incredibly sweet and the food delicious. </p>
<p>I feel naive, and I guess, I am naive. Isn&#39;t it an unavoidable stage you have to go through before you become experienced, right? Doesn&#39;t everybody? And, I&#39;m learning over and over that when you go through this unavoidable stage, you will at some points, unavoidably, look stupid and do stupid things.</p>
<p>Of course, I will keep writing as long as Matt will have me, but with this experience underneath my belt, my writing will change some. I won’t pretend, though, that everything is easy and that the differences in cultures aren’t surprising or difficult to get used to. Everything is not easy, but I will try to balance those difficulties with stories about what I love in Asia.  And, I do love Asia.</p>
<p>Also, I do sometimes forget myself and put my feet on the furniture, only to catch it and quickly put them down. But, dang it, that’s a hard habit to break! However, Gavin, I want you to know that I am working on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Sorry, I meant I didn&#039;t find it offensive, not defensive :)  Sometimes the fingers go too fast for my brain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Sorry, I meant I didn&#39;t find it offensive, not defensive <img src='http://www.thedigitaltrekker.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Sometimes the fingers go too fast for my brain!</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just recently discovered this blog and absolutely enjoy it.  I have lived abroad for about 13 or so years now and when reading Shiloh&#039;s post, I didn&#039;t find it at all defensive.  I found myself saying, gosh I wish I had kept up with my journal back when I first moved to Istanbul so I can remember those thoughts, feelings, smells and experiences.  My husband is from another culture, and in addition to this experience, I think I am a pretty culturally sensitive person and I did not find Shiloh&#039;s post offensive at all.  Perhaps because I have become thick skinned from living and working with cultures where people have been what I feel is overly honest and its not always filtered as we do in the West - and I&#039;m not implying that Shiloh&#039;s post was anything like that - it wasn&#039;t for me.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps its because I am not was well travelled in the Far East as others here that I wasn&#039;t as offended?  After reading all posts, I think its a good thing - you got everyone&#039;s attention.  Maybe not what you intended, but it happens.  And thank you, your post did remind me of the long forgotten smell I experienced when I first went to Istanbul back in 1995.  It was November, rainy, clouds heavy.  Coal was still used much more than natural gas...the smell of smog/pollution.  That combined with the heavy jet lag I felt on that trip, it did make my stomach turn.  Now when I go back, after having lived there for 8 years, I realize I miss that smell.  Regardless, blog on Shiloh.  I look forward to reading more about your experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just recently discovered this blog and absolutely enjoy it.  I have lived abroad for about 13 or so years now and when reading Shiloh&#39;s post, I didn&#39;t find it at all defensive.  I found myself saying, gosh I wish I had kept up with my journal back when I first moved to Istanbul so I can remember those thoughts, feelings, smells and experiences.  My husband is from another culture, and in addition to this experience, I think I am a pretty culturally sensitive person and I did not find Shiloh&#39;s post offensive at all.  Perhaps because I have become thick skinned from living and working with cultures where people have been what I feel is overly honest and its not always filtered as we do in the West &#8211; and I&#39;m not implying that Shiloh&#39;s post was anything like that &#8211; it wasn&#39;t for me.  </p>
<p>Perhaps its because I am not was well travelled in the Far East as others here that I wasn&#39;t as offended?  After reading all posts, I think its a good thing &#8211; you got everyone&#39;s attention.  Maybe not what you intended, but it happens.  And thank you, your post did remind me of the long forgotten smell I experienced when I first went to Istanbul back in 1995.  It was November, rainy, clouds heavy.  Coal was still used much more than natural gas&#8230;the smell of smog/pollution.  That combined with the heavy jet lag I felt on that trip, it did make my stomach turn.  Now when I go back, after having lived there for 8 years, I realize I miss that smell.  Regardless, blog on Shiloh.  I look forward to reading more about your experiences.</p>
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